All together now, just one more nerf and it will be balanced.

CONCORD should respond differently if a pilot's security status falls low enough in a particular highsec system. This second phase of aggression would consist of stations and jump gates instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD moves in. This prevents serial criminals from freely moving through highsec and also prevent gank fleets from staging in highsec systems unless they control their security status correctly.

Simple, by managing their security status. This is a phase two concord thing for those career boys.

Its not fun for those getting ganked... their are two sides to every story. Also, the people you are ganking have put in more game time gathering their cargo than you do stealing it. Eve should not be that easy!

Simple, by managing their security status. This is a phase two concord thing for those career boys.

Its not fun for those getting ganked... their are two sides to every story. Also, the people you are ganking have put in more game time gathering their cargo than you do stealing it. Eve should not be that easy!

Disclaimer: I understand that ganking is a part of the game and I am completely ok with that. I actually like that people in highsec are not completely protected.

Given that, CONCORD and the security status are completely useless against repeat offenders (mainly -5.0 and lower) who fleet gank every 15min - 24hours a day. Yeah, im talking about those staged up in Jita V - Moon 17 station. Ganking as a profession and source of income should come with the requirement of having to manage and repair your security status based on the system that you are ganking in.

To implement this i propose two changes:

First:
CONCORD should respond differently if a pilot's security status falls low enough in a particular highsec system. This second phase of aggression would consist of stations and jump gates instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD moves in. This prevents serial criminals from freely moving through highsec and also prevent gank fleets from staging in highsec systems unless they control their security status correctly. Customs officials already behave this way on gates so it makes complete sense to expand this behavior to CONCORD's abilities. CONCORD should not be made to look like fools who can be manipulated.

Here is an example of when this second phase would kick in:

1.0 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-4.0 and lower)
0.9 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-5.0 and lower)
0.8 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-6.0 and lower)
0.7 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-7.0 and lower)
0.6 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-8.0 and lower)
0.5 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-9.0 and lower)
0.4 system and lower - not applicable

Second:
To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.

I feel that this will balance out the security and safety of highsec without damaging the ability to gank. This change will require gank fleets to put in an effort if they want to treat highsec like a free meal.

This would also bring more meaning to tags, where they can be used to repair status so that mission running is not the only option. Gankers would have to weigh tags cost against target profit to be effective.

CCPlease implement this or something similar so that repeat gank fleets can not freely stage and travel in highsec. If career criminals want to take advantage of major markets like jita and amarr, then they can use an alt or carrier service to get goods. No need for career criminals to even be allowed in highsec. That is what a security status is meant to control.

LUL.... most of the people support it. Especially through the Fackbook post's comments on the EVE Online GROUP https://www.facebook.com/groups/EveOnlineFans/permalink/10155193915391015/.

Given that, CONCORD and the security status are completely useless against repeat offenders (mainly -5.0 and lower) who fleet gank every 15min - 24hours a day. Yeah, im talking about those staged up in Jita V - Moon 17 station....blah, blah, blah, whine.

You can tell just by your picture that you are a ganker.... :)

Sorry man.... stop ganking empty hulls for the lul's and you may have a point.

Second:
To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.

I feel that this will balance out the security and safety of highsec without damaging the ability to gank. This change will require gank fleets to put in an effort if they want to treat highsec like a free meal.

This would also bring more meaning to tags, where they can be used to repair status so that mission running is not the only option. Gankers would have to weigh tags cost against target profit to be effective.

CCPlease implement this or something similar so that repeat gank fleets can not freely stage and travel in highsec. If career criminals want to take advantage of major markets like jita and amarr, then they can use an alt or carrier service to get goods. No need for career criminals to even be allowed in highsec. That is what a security status is meant to control.

Personally, i think there should be a system that makes it harder to cope with Concord in high sec the more you gank and the more your sec status drops. Sure, the first gank should be like it is now with the 15 minutes Concord timer and the normal reaction time for Concord.

But the next / 2nd gank you do in high sec will increase that timer to 1 hour where Concord will be even faster on getting you because Concord see you as a more threat over what you was the first time.

If you do the 3rd gank. That timer will go up to like 6 hours where Concord pretty much will try to kill you really fast (it will be fast but still possible to fly from a station to a gate in a fast frig and jump out right away before you get killed by Concord) in high sec if they see you if you are in high sec within that 6 hours timer, as Concord now will see you as the highest threat.

If you do the 4th gank within a day, you will then be completely locked out from high sec for 24 hours. Within that time, you will have the oppoturnity to fix your sec status by carebearing it up or even buying sec status tags (with an alt or something) so Concord wont whoop your ass because of your pretty bad security status.

Yes, this is all about risk vs reward. If you want a good reward, you have to risk alot of things. But as the system is now, the only thing you have to risk is 15 minutes of waiting for the Concord timer to run out. And that's pretty dumb in my opinion as it should be way more risk involved in ganking more and more players in high sec.

TLDR: Make Concord way harsher against gankers the more they gank. It's a simple system that works.

Pulling in 50bil a day from highsec ganks should not be an intended and permanent source of income. Go to null and battle another corp if you need those kinds of returns.

Because logic?

Try commiting any crimes in rl and tell me how fast you are able to come back to the same city / place or whatever doing your next crime?

You for sure wont come back there within 15 minutes, or even a day. That's for sure.

Exactly, you wont be back anytime soon. And if you commit even more crimes after you are released from jail from doing the first crime, then you will be punished even harder by the police where you freedom will be even more long gone.

Just because everything is not completely life-like does not mean that games do not inspire to be life-like.

Disclaimer: I understand that ganking is a part of the game and I am completely ok with that. I actually like that people in highsec are not completely protected.

Given that, CONCORD and the security status are completely useless against repeat offenders (mainly -5.0 and lower) who fleet gank every 15min - 24hours a day. Yeah, im talking about those staged up in Jita V - Moon 17 station. Ganking as a profession and source of income should come with the requirement of having to manage and repair your security status based on the system that you are ganking in.

To implement this i propose two changes:

First:
CONCORD should respond differently if a pilot's security status falls low enough in a particular highsec system. This second phase of aggression would consist of stations and jump gates instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD moves in. This prevents serial criminals from freely moving through highsec and also prevent gank fleets from staging in highsec systems unless they control their security status correctly. Customs officials already behave this way on gates so it makes complete sense to expand this behavior to CONCORD's abilities. CONCORD should not be made to look like fools who can be manipulated.

Here is an example of when this second phase would kick in:

1.0 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-4.0 and lower)
0.9 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-5.0 and lower)
0.8 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-6.0 and lower)
0.7 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-7.0 and lower)
0.6 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-8.0 and lower)
0.5 system - CONCORD phase 2 (-9.0 and lower)
0.4 system and lower - not applicable

Second:
To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.

I feel that this will balance out the security and safety of highsec without damaging the ability to gank. This change will require gank fleets to put in an effort if they want to treat highsec like a free meal.

This would also bring more meaning to tags, where they can be used to repair status so that mission running is not the only option. Gankers would have to weigh tags cost against target profit to be effective.

CCPlease implement this or something similar so that repeat gank fleets can not freely stage and travel in highsec. If career criminals want to take advantage of major markets like jita and amarr, then they can use an alt or carrier service to get goods. No need for career criminals to even be allowed in highsec. That is what a security status is meant to control.

Is lame excuses all you can give?

You don't even give any reasonable arguments or reasons why there shouldn't be a system in EVE like i mentioned. So why should we listen to you?

You said this is EVE yadda yadda yadda. Yes we know it's EVE, but EVE still has to be balanced both towards normal players AND the gankers.

Have you never heard of "agree to disagree." You dont need to keep repeating your point. We get it.

You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb...

Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/

Yes, why should you be able to easily stop a freighter or kill it when we others can't do that towards the gankers before it's to late?

To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.

Ruin how? Getting shot IS the game.


Are you really suggesting that if players cannot get from A to B in safety that their game is ruined? You think you have the right to get around this game at all, let alone solo? Because if thats really the case, this is not the right game for them. Bringing us back to:

Dont like it? Dont play.

And how many freighters do you think are ganked? Serious question. 1 in 50? 1 in 100? 1 in 500?

Right... If players are able to bypass the security status part of the game somehow, then it needs to be fixed.

Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/

Ahh now we're getting down to the nitty gritty.

Are you suggesting that access to hisec should be based upon sec status?

-10.0 criminal dont even need to be in highsec in the first place

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

No, im saying that unless you are in a shuttle or pod to just travel through higsec as a -10.0 criminal, any other ship you should be expected to be blown up before you can commit any further criminal acts in highsec.

No, im saying that unless you are in a shuttle or pod to just travel through higsec as a -10.0 criminal, any other ship you should be expected to be blown up before you can commit any further criminal acts in highsec.

They dont operate correctly, which makes the security status feature broken. If you can ignore them without care, there is something wrong. Your manipulating a particular mechanic of the game to get around the consequences of security status.

This is wrong... I have a RL friend that works for Red Frog using multiple freighters and every single day he is telling me about a new one that goons toons down just outside of jita.

because you are -8.4 ... you have given up that privilege by performing criminally in lowsec. If you would have blown up **** in null then your security status would still be positive and you could operate freely in highsec. This change benefits so many things, it pushes more people into nullsec, leaving only those who choose to be real pirates in lowsec. Lowsec is for faction warfare and pirates who dont care to be in highsec with their criminal characters. It also still allows ganking in highsec and for career gankers, it requires them to put in more effort to make sure their security status is always in check. If you take 50bil in a day, you can afford the tags to repair your corpmates security status so that you stay below phase 2 (where you get instantly wrecked when you come to a station or gate in something that doesnt instant warp).

This is wrong... I have a RL friend that works for Red Frog using multiple freighters and every single day he is telling me about a new one that goons toons down just outside of jita.

...if only there was a force established to do that. You missed something in your logic I think because their is no basis to that comment.

Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities

How is it so hard for you to watch my twitch videos and see that I might just know what Im talking about in terms of ganking and what goes on daily. I steal from these dudes, my corp steals from these dudes. Thats what we do!!

Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities

Actually they show that I follow the action and where major things go down.

Operate in null and you can have it all if you want to kill the **** out of people. But being a criminal comes with certain major trade hub sacrafices on your criminal character. Your account gives you three characters for a reason.

Its not about the targets or what they are doing. Its about what the gankers are allowed to get away with in a never-ending loop. The only thing gankers have to worry about is a 15min timer, which usually goes unnoticed since it takes time to reload.

So you are saying that mining highsec freighters (1-10bil every 15min) in HIGHSEC is good for the game. Its a never-ending loop of free plex that diminishing all the other methods of making isk in the game. Now if this were happening in nullsec, bubbles would shut this down so quick.

Ganking could be buffed.... please explain??? LUL The fact that you keep trying to point out that you are a miner a freighter pilot ensures that you are not. You lost a 3+bil domi in null. Thats not a freighter pilot and miner career path.

This is wrong... I have a RL friend that works for Red Frog using multiple freighters and every single day he is telling me about a new one that goons toons down just outside of jita.

Six years ago.

We all did dumb things six years ago.


And why are you ignoring the fact that the 15 minutes thing is literally only happening this weekend, for the burn jita event?

Again, its not about the targets... its about how gankers are able to operate in highsec due to certain mechanics in the game. Refer to the OP.

So if I go to zkill, since you are unwilling, and provide you with all the links for every gank by the gank team out of jita V - moon 17 in the last month and you see just how much they are abusing the system... then you are going to agree with me right. If I remember right, Redfrog freighters are not part of a particular corp, they do this particularly because of war deccing. So there is no way to guage accurately how many freighters they lose. Given that, we would RedFrog report that they lose freighters on the daily.

The security status and faction police mechanic is broken. I dont need to weight targets and their habits, etc to see that. What you are saying has no bearing on my point.

Just read the OP.

Just read the OP.

Twitch vids and zkill are proof at how much isk they are able to steal from others without consequence or any real effort in HighSec. It diminishes all other aspects of isk making in the game. Im sure you also argued against gambling with isk as well but it eventually got fixed because it was not good for the game.

All i see here is butthurt gankers that doesn't want to get their easy life of ganking over and over in the infinite loop to be harder and being butthurt that someone have an idea on a system that actually punishes the criminals harder the more they do crimes every day, like the law enforcement always have handled criminals in the first place. And being butthurt over someone explaining you gankers that you don't understand the concept of how criminals are supposed to be treated.

I mean, you are a freaking CRIMINAL to begin with. You are not supposed to be able to continue the criminal activity that easy the more you do it. It should be harder to do the crimes the more you do it.

And this is EXACTLY what you can't even explain why it shouldn't be in the game. It doesn't affect ganking at all. It just affect the challenge of continuing doing it the more you do crimes every day. All you have as an lame excuse is that 'it's a game' and 'this is not how things works'.

News @ 11. Even though things isn't working like that now, what prevents it from being like that by changing the game for the better for everyone in the future?

Remember, a criminal is supposed to be treated as a criminal and not like it is now with the only insanely low 15 minute Concord timer.

I feel that i need to quote myself here, because no one seems to be willing to counter argument what i'm saying here.

I wonder why?

Yes, please explain to me why criminals shouldn't be treated as criminals in EVE?

I feel that i need to quote myself here, because no one seems to be willing to counter argument what i'm saying here.

I wonder why?

Yes, please explain to me why criminals shouldn't be treated as criminals in EVE?

No its not... Kusion ganked freighters effortlessly all day long as a solo pilot before I started making it not worth it for him.

Stop saying sandbox. It is not a sandbox. It is a brand that gets very frequent updates and changes all the time based on the best interest of the game. There is a reason that gambling got wrecked, roraquals got redesigned, and everything else in this game gets changed. That is not a sandbox, that is a game like another out there in the world. Whenever the good-old-boys club uses the term sandbox, its nothing more than an attempt to discourage changes that they benefit from.

It would balance out the gankers reward vs risk. It would push more people into nullsec since being a criminal pirate in lowsec would not allow you into highsec unless you repaired your security status, It would limit the number of highsec only gank contracts so that they dont overrun the contract system.

Stop saying sandbox. It is not a sandbox. It is a brand that gets very frequent updates and changes all the time based on the best interest of the game. There is a reason that gambling got wrecked, roraquals got redesigned, and everything else in this game gets changed. That is not a sandbox, that is a game like another out there in the world. Whenever the good-old-boys club uses the term sandbox, its nothing more than an attempt to discourage changes that they benefit from.

But how does removing a criminal for 15 minutes help in this case AT ALL when they are back doing the same thing over and over and over again every 15 mins?

It's normal by human nature that the police will whoop your ass harder the more crimes you do. So why shouldn't it be the same in EVE?

How does that help to shoot the criminals when that already are to late as they in 99% of all cases have killed their target before i can do something about the criminal?

This is why it should be harder for the actual criminals to continue doing it the more they do it as it's impossible to prevent a gank before it's to late for the target they are suiciding on anyways.

But how does removing a criminal for 15 minutes help in this case AT ALL when they are back doing the same thing over and over and over again every 15 mins?

It's normal by human nature that the police will whoop your ass harder the more crimes you do. So why shouldn't it be the same in EVE?

Sorry, you are invulnerable as long as your fleet keeps warping around.

Sorry ... you are wrong. Watch some of Kusions gank vids.

yeah well they are dumb then... Doesn't make it a sandbox.

I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.

Like i said over, you don't have to be much focused into PVP skills to be able to fly a lil Destroyer to be able to gank with it. That's something most players can do in no time.

EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?

I would like to see some proofs on that claim.

Not only that, but you don't have to be much of a PVP character to fit out a Destroyer and gank something. That's something everyone can do.

There should be a jump fatigue type of timer for criminals. The more you jump, the more jump fatigue you get. It should be the same for committing crimes. The more you commit crimes, the more timer you get against Concord. And the more crimes you have done to, the more harsher the police will be against you to.

That's how it should be, because criminals are still criminals and nothing else.

I'd be happy too, but why dont I just tell you. I have this toon which swoops the **** out of loot all over the map. I have a pvp toon that actively contributes to gank efforts, and a third toon that runs and owns citadels. I dont play favorites, but I also realize that game mechanics are not perfect and need to be fixed when they are abused or dont work effectively in preventing unbalanced gameplay.

I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that.

Thats the thing... its hard to determine which are legit and which are not... Thats they nature of ganks.

How is the fact that criminal behavior is capped at faction police chasing you not proof. Once you get to this point, you can do whatever you want as a criminal without ever really being killed until you want to be killed in highsec. For gankers, this is everything you could have ever wanted.

How is the fact that criminal behavior is capped at faction police chasing you not proof. Once you get to this point, you can do whatever you want as a criminal without ever really being killed until you want to be killed in highsec.

Except this is wrong, because people will still gank under the OP proposed changes. Gankers just have to keep thier security status in check to be effective highsec gankers.

Its not worth it to boat around a svipul fleet that matches the size of goons ganks squad just to protect your lonely freighter who is trying to make 10mil isk per contract.

If you have 0 in sec status, nothing will happen from the faction police. If you however do a gank / suicide against someone, then Concord will first kill you and give you a 15 minute timer. Everything here is normal.

Next gank you do, you will get a 1 hour timer from Concord. And everything here is still normal except that you will get a longer Concord timer for each gank you do. And so on until you will get locked out from entering high sec in a ship except for a shuttle for a whole day. Yeah, let's say you can do 4-5 ganks every day before you get locked out from entering high sec in a ship except for a Shuttle.

And if you do the gankings that lowers your security status, then the faction police should be much harder against you the lower your security status is. Because of that, you have to work for your security status to be able to avoid an evantually brutal faction police.

The whole point is that you shouldn't be able to enter high sec in a fitted ship, or a ship (except for a Shuttle) at all if you have a low enough security status to begin with. Yes, if freighter pilots have to use a bunch of alt or others to be able to do their business, then you should also be forced to use alts or other friends to get a new ship that you have bought in Jita out of Jita to be able to continue doing your ganks.

Doesn't that sounds fair?

Sorry, I agree with ganking... but yet im the OP owner... weird.

didnt we already have this conversation...

It doesn't. You all said the same thing last time ganking was nerfed where Concord doesn't pay out insurance to gankers anylonger. But what did happen?

Yes, they did keep going as nothing had happened. Same will be here. All that will be different is that you have to be more clever and more smart to be able to keep doing the ganking after your first ganking and so on as the consequences will be harder the more you gank.

Well, and lock criminals out of HS.

Basically turn HS into a carebear wasteland of boring and mind numbing. Sure to get the numbers logging in up.

No one is saying anyone should be locked out of high sec. We are only saying the criminals should get penalized harder the more crimes they do in high sec.

Is that so hard to understand?

This second phase of aggression would consist of stations and jump gates instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD moves in. This prevents serial criminals from freely moving through highsec and also prevent gank fleets from staging in highsec systems unless they control their security status correctly.

Again, do you think the freigher pilots is having fun knowing they can get ganked over and over all day long every 15 minutes because the criminals doesn't get harsher consequences / penalties the more crimes / ganking they do?

If their crimes have been done in low sec, things should be like it is now. Nothing is needed to be changed there. We are however talking about the crimes you have done in HIGH SEC.

Then it will be something else.

So the game can only be fun for the gankers?

Do you think it's fun for the freighter pilots who basicly can die every 15 minutes to some ganking because there is no system in EVE that gives the gankers more penalty the more they gank?

no it would not. It would require them to lower their security status between ganks so that they stayed within the given systems phase one limit. This means spending some of the gank isk on repair tags and mabye even some mission running / rat killing. Obviously tags would be the easiest way. The economic tag availability would control the gank abilities and keep it honest.

Ehh ok?

You can still fly around in high sec in a Destroyer with a -10 sec status. All you have to make sure is that no one tackles you before you enters warp. But that's relatively easy to avoid.

The fact is that if you are categotized as an outlaw (-5 or lower), you shouldn't be able to be sitting in a ship (except for a Shuttle) while being in high sec. Yes, you have to use an alt or other friends to be able to get your newly bought ships out of Jita and high sec in the same way as freighter pilots have to use a bunch of alt or friends all the time according to you to be able to do their business. So don't you think it would be fair that way towards the gankers to that they will need alts or others to be able to keep doing their crimes with new ships and so on?

Yeah, spot me like 10 bil then so that I can enjoy some content.

no... you are ignorant arent your. They would still be criminal, just not phase two criminals that are shot on sight because they dont care to manage their security status.

then why should freighter pilots be required to take all the risk knowing that gankers are not controlled in highsec. If you require gankers to repair their security status, they are only going to pick the highest of value targets. This eliminates the idiot freighter pilots and makes it a little more reasonable for the responsible freighter pilots.

Crimes are crimes if the system you are in says they are crimes. Although pirating in lowsec is a popular thing to do, the game wants to discourage your from podding in lowsec and attacking people unless you have reason to on gates and stations.

Sure, for the average pilot it sounds like enough, but for a career ganker, those things mean nothing to them. None of that stuff bothers their agenda one bit.

How does my idea of the said criminal system i have been talking about prevents the freighters from being ganked any lesser or make it a lesser risk of getting ganked?

Check my corp and twitch videos and see what I do on the daily. I by all means am excluding this past burn jita event from the OP. This goon ganking (and I mean big fleets, not little miner ganking) has gone on repeatedly for for the last few month. Sure there has always been ganking, but goons are taking it to a new level staging out of Jita V - moon 17 station. Nothing to do with burn jita event. I havnt even logged in since the burn Jita event started.

Look up all of the people who operate from that staging area on zkill and you will see just how much ganking isk they are getting away with. Follow them for a day and you will see just how hard it is to prevent anything they are doing. AG cant even prevent a freighter from being bumped without going criminal and just have to watch freighters burn to the ground like they are frigates.

Karma Fleet - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99006785/ - 75+bil in top 7 in last 7 days - + all the non-top 7 ganks.

Gimme Da Loot - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99006785/ - These guys operate with Karma Fleet most of the time in Jita

Jason Kusion - https://zkillboard.com/character/95034355/ - Used to operate in Uedama mainly solo but since I started raping all his isk he moved to Jita to stage there.

All of these guys have centralized and stage from Jita V - Moon 17 station. Look at the history going back and you will see that their all day everyday ganking brings in xxx billions a week.

how is that a problem?

If it rakes in billions a week its only because freighter pilots are being dumb enough to put it in their cross hairs?

im not counting anything... links were asked for.

But you can fly gank ships in highsec without fixing you status and that is the issue here.

The loot drop is not what matter to those being ganked... Look at both sides.

Says the guy who think doing crimes over and over again should not gain you more penalities or consequences.

Don't pretend to be a smart guy if you can't explain why there shouldn't be a system like that in EVE.

Oh i forgot. That's because you then can't do the risk free and no consequences ganking all day long as easily as you can do it today.

Lets just look at 5.9t vs 14bil.... and thats just karma fleet (burn jita events must be off the chain since this doesn't happen outside the burn jita events.)

Kusion: 9.48t vs 31bil - a solo gank pilot

By themselves, no. But when added with keeping the cargo value down it certainly can help. My JF has just under 900,000 EHP with expanders. And I can always jump out to my emergency cyno. Would you, if you were the FC of a gank fleet, pick me...or the anti-tanked freighter with 5 billion ISK in cargo (I would never carry that much cargo value BTW, I'd make multiple trips)?

Okay, this is not exactly true.

If your scout jumps in and sees a blackbird and a macherial there...and you decide to try and get through anyways, you are taking tremendous risk. When you take tremendous risk, you should expect it to blow up in your face more often than when you don't take tremendous risk. So, if you have an escort of a scout and he tells you that you face a situation of tremendous risk, your best bet is likely to not take on that tremendous risk. Dock up and wait.

I am not sure why people find this problematic.

The game is all about balance towards everyone. One side here is having a very low balance vs risks atm that should be fixed.

I don't give a **** when the garbage like u replay's in such a way :)

Back to topic @
Try to Compare a PK system (aka ganking in EVE) in Lineage and in EVE;

IN Lineage if you PK (not marked player) you get a Wanted status - and u would gonna lose your gear if you be hunted down - EVERYONE want to kill you, you are not safe in town;
You have to put much effort to lose this status;

In Eve - u just gank, die cause of concord, wait 15 minutes - u just lost nothing at all, maybe 15 minutes for a coffee break; as u earn much more from this gank than your ship was worth.

Please don't make yourself look more a fool than you already are and refrain from telling me "Escorts work". They do not, have never and will never work.

This has nothing to do with how many freighters that are ganked. It has ONLY to do with the consequences a ganker is facing for doing the same crimes over and over again with the current system that is the problem.

Didn't i say once you have a ship in station, then it's super easy to continue doing ganks?

Where do you get it from that i'm talking about doing something without a ship?

Need glasses or something so you can read what i'm writing to you, or?

The question is, why shouldn't we use real life arguments for what a crimninal is in EVE when EVE is all about human characters anyways?

We live in a human world after all.

You don't want to answer it because it makes your gameplay of ganking others a bit harder the more you do it. OMG changes are bad, right?

And the fact that you use the lame excuse of 'dumb freighter pilots' all the times says me that you are using that argument to make it looks like you all are doing the right things, just because of dumb freighter pilots.

You don't even have evidences to show that they infact are dumb to begin with. You just use it because you can.

im not counting anything... links were asked for.

You can't go criminal in highsec with yellow. Sorry... If I am mistaken, please explain.
Jealous .... resorting to those kinds of comments means you really have nothing meaningful to say about my proposoal in this thread.